Behind the Bob - boundaries, what boundaries?
In this episode, Carrie-Ann Wade talks about the importance of boundary setting as a communicator and as a leader.
Sharing her own experiences of boundary setting, and recognising when boundaries are slipping, Carrie-Ann invites you to reflect on your boundaries and how you are communicating them.
00:54 - recognising when your boundaries are slipping
02:38 - protecting your time and energy
03:26 - protecting your team
05:19 - delivering strategic objectives
06:27 - boundaries and decision making
07:59 - taking on the mental load
As well as being clear on what your boundaries are, make sure you communicate them. And make time for your life outside of work, your professional boundaries should help support your personal life.
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Transcript
Welcome to Behind the Bob Diary of a Comms
Carrie-Ann Wade:Director with me, Carrie Ann Wade.
Carrie-Ann Wade:This podcast is all about developing communications leaders of the
Carrie-Ann Wade:future and supporting you to grow and thrive in your comms career.
Carrie-Ann Wade:You'll hear from me about my experiences and insights, and there might even
Carrie-Ann Wade:be a special guest or two popping up.
Carrie-Ann Wade:So I hope you enjoy.
Carrie-Ann Wade:Boundary setting is something you've probably heard me talk about
Carrie-Ann Wade:a lot, and it's confession time.
Carrie-Ann Wade:Time for some music.
Carrie-Ann Wade:No, I haven't got any to hand, but dun, duh.
Carrie-Ann Wade:My confession is I have recently let my boundaries slip, and that probably won't
Carrie-Ann Wade:be a surprise to you either because it's something that I've talked about before.
Carrie-Ann Wade:What I wanted to say first up is that recognizing and having that insight
Carrie-Ann Wade:into how your boundaries slipping manifest for you is really important
Carrie-Ann Wade:because that means that you can take action to reestablish those boundaries
Carrie-Ann Wade:and reset them if you need to.
Carrie-Ann Wade:For me personally this shows up as feeling overwhelmed and a little out of
Carrie-Ann Wade:control, knowing that I'm prioritizing other people's needs above my own,
Carrie-Ann Wade:and I do mean that professionally and continuing to do that rather than
Carrie-Ann Wade:prioritizing mine and also in not feeling as productive as I could.
Carrie-Ann Wade:It is important to consider how being unbounded or how your boundaries
Carrie-Ann Wade:slipping show up for you, so I would definitely encourage you to
Carrie-Ann Wade:take some time to reflect on that.
Carrie-Ann Wade:I've also noticed that in my personal life, it's manifested as me not
Carrie-Ann Wade:prioritizing my own health and wellbeing.
Carrie-Ann Wade:When my professional boundaries slip, I give up my fitness time, even
Carrie-Ann Wade:though I know this is not good for me.
Carrie-Ann Wade:Ironically, if I practice my boundaries better at work, this
Carrie-Ann Wade:wouldn't happen, but such is life.
Carrie-Ann Wade:I'm going to start this conversation by assuming we are all in a
Carrie-Ann Wade:place where we know two things.
Carrie-Ann Wade:One, it's okay to have and to set boundaries at work no matter
Carrie-Ann Wade:what level you are operating at.
Carrie-Ann Wade:And two, maintaining your boundaries takes practice.
Carrie-Ann Wade:And there will be all sorts of reasons why they might slip.
Carrie-Ann Wade:My advice here is go easy on yourself, because boundary setting is something
Carrie-Ann Wade:I talk about a lot with communicators.
Carrie-Ann Wade:I thought dedicating an episode to it might be helpful, and I wanted to really
Carrie-Ann Wade:focus in for me on the reasons why I need boundaries as a communications director.
Carrie-Ann Wade:So strap yourselves in here we go to protect my time and energy.
Carrie-Ann Wade:So I can focus on the right things and deliver my priorities
Carrie-Ann Wade:to the best of my ability.
Carrie-Ann Wade:What could be a better reason to need a boundary in the workplace?
Carrie-Ann Wade:This is so linked to delegation for me.
Carrie-Ann Wade:Resource issues in my team recently have meant that I've not delegated
Carrie-Ann Wade:work as much as I should or I could.
Carrie-Ann Wade:However, this is not best use of my time or my skillset, and it also doesn't
Carrie-Ann Wade:help those around me in terms of their own growth, development, and stretch.
Carrie-Ann Wade:Actually, we need to talk as a team about what is achievable and provide clarity
Carrie-Ann Wade:over whose role certain things are.
Carrie-Ann Wade:That's not to say that we don't help each other out, but we do need to be
Carrie-Ann Wade:clear on each of the value ads that we bring in progressing strategic
Carrie-Ann Wade:and operational deliverables.
Carrie-Ann Wade:Next up, boundaries are important to protect my team.
Carrie-Ann Wade:Now I know what I've just said, and this can get a bit mixed up in
Carrie-Ann Wade:that point that I've just made as sometimes I've seen not delegating
Carrie-Ann Wade:work as a way to protect my team.
Carrie-Ann Wade:Having said that, protecting my team and managing their capacity is actually about
Carrie-Ann Wade:setting real ex realistic expectations and negotiating with other senior leaders.
Carrie-Ann Wade:When I ask a question to someone about what is the priority,
Carrie-Ann Wade:the answer can't be everything.
Carrie-Ann Wade:If the answer is everything, then actually nothing is a priority.
Carrie-Ann Wade:It's my role as communications director to set some clear
Carrie-Ann Wade:boundaries about what's achievable.
Carrie-Ann Wade:I've pre previously been in positions where my people pleasing modes kicked
Carrie-Ann Wade:in and in meetings I've said yes to things, and then worried about
Carrie-Ann Wade:afterwards how they'll be delivered.
Carrie-Ann Wade:I realize now that's not healthy or helpful for me, for my team,
Carrie-Ann Wade:or for the wider organization.
Carrie-Ann Wade:In this space.
Carrie-Ann Wade:I witnessed a brilliant example about four or five years ago where in an
Carrie-Ann Wade:executive meeting the chief executive asked a leader to progress a piece of
Carrie-Ann Wade:work that she had just presented a sap.
Carrie-Ann Wade:Her response I thought was brilliant.
Carrie-Ann Wade:She said, I'm happy to do that, but I need to flag now that I do not have the
Carrie-Ann Wade:resource and capacity to do this right now, along with the other priorities
Carrie-Ann Wade:that my team is currently working on.
Carrie-Ann Wade:If this is going to take priority, please can we agree which deliverables can wait.
Carrie-Ann Wade:She was polite and respectful, but she clearly articulated her and her
Carrie-Ann Wade:team's position, and guess what?
Carrie-Ann Wade:The world didn't stop turning nobody kicked off.
Carrie-Ann Wade:The response was actually a really positive one, which demonstrated to
Carrie-Ann Wade:me that actually it's okay to set those boundaries and deliver some
Carrie-Ann Wade:expectation setting into the organization even with the chief executive.
Carrie-Ann Wade:Another reason for me to be clear on my boundaries is to help me deliver
Carrie-Ann Wade:strategic objectives for the organization.
Carrie-Ann Wade:Both of the things I've just talked about in terms of boundaries are important in
Carrie-Ann Wade:helping to deliver strategic objectives, but using boundaries to set expectations,
Carrie-Ann Wade:seek clarity and protect resource and capacity, as well as ensuring the
Carrie-Ann Wade:right skill sets and experience of being deployed can only be positive
Carrie-Ann Wade:in helping to deliver the priorities and objectives for the business.
Carrie-Ann Wade:So when I have to be assertive and when I need to talk about my boundaries and
Carrie-Ann Wade:communicate them, I always keep that in the back of my mind because what I'm
Carrie-Ann Wade:doing is helping me deliver strategic objectives for the wider organization.
Carrie-Ann Wade:I sometimes think boundary setting can be seen as selfish and people
Carrie-Ann Wade:can feel guilty about doing it.
Carrie-Ann Wade:But I hope as we move through this conversation, you can see there are
Carrie-Ann Wade:lots of really positive reasons that go beyond just protecting your own self,
Carrie-Ann Wade:your own time and energy in terms of why we would set professional boundaries.
Carrie-Ann Wade:Finally the point that I wanted to talk about around boundary
Carrie-Ann Wade:setting for me as a comms director is that I believe it improves my
Carrie-Ann Wade:decision making as a senior leader.
Carrie-Ann Wade:One of the things it's really easy to do as a communicator and as a
Carrie-Ann Wade:leader is to fill your diary with meetings, and I've noticed that as
Carrie-Ann Wade:we work more and more in this virtual space, that these meetings are quite
Carrie-Ann Wade:honestly back to back with no break.
Carrie-Ann Wade:In order for me to participate fully in a meeting and to enable me to contribute
Carrie-Ann Wade:to and to make informed decisions, it is absolutely okay for me to be
Carrie-Ann Wade:boundaried with my time, and that also means being boundaried with my diary.
Carrie-Ann Wade:Blocking out time to prepare for meetings.
Carrie-Ann Wade:Read papers is all part of my role.
Carrie-Ann Wade:It's not a nice to have, and this prep time is also something that I've noticed
Carrie-Ann Wade:is easily consumed by other people.
Carrie-Ann Wade:If you are not clear that it is not to be moved from your diary.
Carrie-Ann Wade:There will of course be exceptions when there'll be times it feels
Carrie-Ann Wade:like a meeting might need to be prioritized over your prep time.
Carrie-Ann Wade:But it's about being really clear that a conversation has to happen about that,
Carrie-Ann Wade:not just an assumption that your prep time is free time for another meeting.
Carrie-Ann Wade:So these are just some of the reasons why I feel it's important
Carrie-Ann Wade:to set boundaries in my role.
Carrie-Ann Wade:There are many others and I know that you will have your own.
Carrie-Ann Wade:As I said, being boundary does take practice though.
Carrie-Ann Wade:One of the things I need to get better at is protecting my own time and mental
Carrie-Ann Wade:capacity, particularly in times of change or challenge in the workplace.
Carrie-Ann Wade:In all my roles as a senior communications leader, I found that I've often been the
Carrie-Ann Wade:confidant for other leaders, the person people come to for a common sense check or
Carrie-Ann Wade:advice about how something's impacted them or others or even I guess, for therapy.
Carrie-Ann Wade:I do see this as part of my role, and I also see it as a privilege to
Carrie-Ann Wade:have those trusted relationships.
Carrie-Ann Wade:I've realized that I still need to be boundaried in this space.
Carrie-Ann Wade:Otherwise, it can become all consuming and really rather draining.
Carrie-Ann Wade:I have also realized that there will be times when the change or uncertainty
Carrie-Ann Wade:impacts on me personally, and if I don't set clear boundaries in this space,
Carrie-Ann Wade:then I actually deem myself a disservice as I'm not giving myself the emotional
Carrie-Ann Wade:headspace to deal with my own thoughts and feelings and process what's happening.
Carrie-Ann Wade:While I struggle as a people pleaser to always be boundaried in this
Carrie-Ann Wade:type of scenario, things that help me are asking the other person
Carrie-Ann Wade:what their desired outcome is.
Carrie-Ann Wade:Do they just need to vent?
Carrie-Ann Wade:Do they want support from me to seek a solution?
Carrie-Ann Wade:It's really important to know what that other person is expecting
Carrie-Ann Wade:from the conversation that they're going to have with you.
Carrie-Ann Wade:I also think it's important to only start that conversation if you know
Carrie-Ann Wade:you have the time for it, and to be clear with the other person about
Carrie-Ann Wade:how much time you have available.
Carrie-Ann Wade:If you need to have the conversation at a later date, then say, you
Carrie-Ann Wade:want to be able to give it the time and respect that it deserves.
Carrie-Ann Wade:And finally, on that point, , Feel empowered to say that the situation
Carrie-Ann Wade:also has an impact on you and that you want to share your feelings about it.
Carrie-Ann Wade:If of course you do, you might not always.
Carrie-Ann Wade:I would say don't underestimate the mental load you carry.
Carrie-Ann Wade:As a communications leader, we are privy to all sorts of highly sensitive,
Carrie-Ann Wade:challenging information, and we have to meet so many different demands on
Carrie-Ann Wade:our time and manage so many different relationships that it's important to
Carrie-Ann Wade:recognize this and know when you need to take some time out to recharge.
Carrie-Ann Wade:My final word in this episode about boundaries.
Carrie-Ann Wade:Prioritize your life as much as your work.
Carrie-Ann Wade:Book the leave Switch off your phone.
Carrie-Ann Wade:Don't reply to that email immediately.
Carrie-Ann Wade:Leave work on time.
Carrie-Ann Wade:I know it won't always be possible as we have lots of responsibilities in the
Carrie-Ann Wade:roles we have as communicators and as leaders, but we also only have one life.
Carrie-Ann Wade:Key to all of the things that I've said today is communication, and
Carrie-Ann Wade:if as communications professionals we can't communicate our boundaries
Carrie-Ann Wade:clearly to others, then quite frankly, I'm not sure what chance
Carrie-Ann Wade:anyone else has of doing the same.
Carrie-Ann Wade:So put into practice not only your boundary setting, but all of those
Carrie-Ann Wade:excellent communication skills that you've got, and start to provide that clarity
Carrie-Ann Wade:both to yourself and others about what your boundaries are in the workplace.
Carrie-Ann Wade:As part of the Cat's Pajamas Thrive Programme, we run a complete
Carrie-Ann Wade:session on boundary setting and I've also run workshops on the very
Carrie-Ann Wade:subject of setting boundaries, how to do it and why it's important.
Carrie-Ann Wade:So if you want to know more, please do get in touch.
Carrie-Ann Wade:And if you want to carry on this conversation, then drop me a line
Carrie-Ann Wade:or engage with me on the socials.
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