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26th Jul 2023

Behind the Bob - boundaries, what boundaries?

In this episode, Carrie-Ann Wade talks about the importance of boundary setting as a communicator and as a leader.

Sharing her own experiences of boundary setting, and recognising when boundaries are slipping, Carrie-Ann invites you to reflect on your boundaries and how you are communicating them.

00:54 - recognising when your boundaries are slipping

02:38 - protecting your time and energy

03:26 - protecting your team

05:19 - delivering strategic objectives

06:27 - boundaries and decision making

07:59 - taking on the mental load

As well as being clear on what your boundaries are, make sure you communicate them. And make time for your life outside of work, your professional boundaries should help support your personal life.

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Welcome to Behind the Bob Diary of a Comms

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Director with me, Carrie Ann Wade.

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This podcast is all about developing communications leaders of the

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future and supporting you to grow and thrive in your comms career.

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You'll hear from me about my experiences and insights, and there might even

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be a special guest or two popping up.

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So I hope you enjoy.

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Boundary setting is something you've probably heard me talk about

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a lot, and it's confession time.

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Time for some music.

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No, I haven't got any to hand, but dun, duh.

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My confession is I have recently let my boundaries slip, and that probably won't

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be a surprise to you either because it's something that I've talked about before.

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What I wanted to say first up is that recognizing and having that insight

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into how your boundaries slipping manifest for you is really important

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because that means that you can take action to reestablish those boundaries

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and reset them if you need to.

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For me personally this shows up as feeling overwhelmed and a little out of

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control, knowing that I'm prioritizing other people's needs above my own,

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and I do mean that professionally and continuing to do that rather than

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prioritizing mine and also in not feeling as productive as I could.

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It is important to consider how being unbounded or how your boundaries

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slipping show up for you, so I would definitely encourage you to

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take some time to reflect on that.

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I've also noticed that in my personal life, it's manifested as me not

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prioritizing my own health and wellbeing.

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When my professional boundaries slip, I give up my fitness time, even

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though I know this is not good for me.

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Ironically, if I practice my boundaries better at work, this

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wouldn't happen, but such is life.

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I'm going to start this conversation by assuming we are all in a

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place where we know two things.

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One, it's okay to have and to set boundaries at work no matter

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what level you are operating at.

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And two, maintaining your boundaries takes practice.

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And there will be all sorts of reasons why they might slip.

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My advice here is go easy on yourself, because boundary setting is something

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I talk about a lot with communicators.

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I thought dedicating an episode to it might be helpful, and I wanted to really

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focus in for me on the reasons why I need boundaries as a communications director.

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So strap yourselves in here we go to protect my time and energy.

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So I can focus on the right things and deliver my priorities

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to the best of my ability.

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What could be a better reason to need a boundary in the workplace?

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This is so linked to delegation for me.

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Resource issues in my team recently have meant that I've not delegated

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work as much as I should or I could.

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However, this is not best use of my time or my skillset, and it also doesn't

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help those around me in terms of their own growth, development, and stretch.

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Actually, we need to talk as a team about what is achievable and provide clarity

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over whose role certain things are.

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That's not to say that we don't help each other out, but we do need to be

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clear on each of the value ads that we bring in progressing strategic

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and operational deliverables.

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Next up, boundaries are important to protect my team.

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Now I know what I've just said, and this can get a bit mixed up in

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that point that I've just made as sometimes I've seen not delegating

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work as a way to protect my team.

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Having said that, protecting my team and managing their capacity is actually about

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setting real ex realistic expectations and negotiating with other senior leaders.

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When I ask a question to someone about what is the priority,

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the answer can't be everything.

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If the answer is everything, then actually nothing is a priority.

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It's my role as communications director to set some clear

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boundaries about what's achievable.

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I've pre previously been in positions where my people pleasing modes kicked

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in and in meetings I've said yes to things, and then worried about

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afterwards how they'll be delivered.

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I realize now that's not healthy or helpful for me, for my team,

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or for the wider organization.

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In this space.

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I witnessed a brilliant example about four or five years ago where in an

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executive meeting the chief executive asked a leader to progress a piece of

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work that she had just presented a sap.

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Her response I thought was brilliant.

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She said, I'm happy to do that, but I need to flag now that I do not have the

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resource and capacity to do this right now, along with the other priorities

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that my team is currently working on.

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If this is going to take priority, please can we agree which deliverables can wait.

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She was polite and respectful, but she clearly articulated her and her

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team's position, and guess what?

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The world didn't stop turning nobody kicked off.

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The response was actually a really positive one, which demonstrated to

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me that actually it's okay to set those boundaries and deliver some

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expectation setting into the organization even with the chief executive.

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Another reason for me to be clear on my boundaries is to help me deliver

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strategic objectives for the organization.

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Both of the things I've just talked about in terms of boundaries are important in

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helping to deliver strategic objectives, but using boundaries to set expectations,

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seek clarity and protect resource and capacity, as well as ensuring the

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right skill sets and experience of being deployed can only be positive

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in helping to deliver the priorities and objectives for the business.

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So when I have to be assertive and when I need to talk about my boundaries and

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communicate them, I always keep that in the back of my mind because what I'm

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doing is helping me deliver strategic objectives for the wider organization.

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I sometimes think boundary setting can be seen as selfish and people

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can feel guilty about doing it.

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But I hope as we move through this conversation, you can see there are

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lots of really positive reasons that go beyond just protecting your own self,

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your own time and energy in terms of why we would set professional boundaries.

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Finally the point that I wanted to talk about around boundary

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setting for me as a comms director is that I believe it improves my

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decision making as a senior leader.

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One of the things it's really easy to do as a communicator and as a

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leader is to fill your diary with meetings, and I've noticed that as

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we work more and more in this virtual space, that these meetings are quite

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honestly back to back with no break.

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In order for me to participate fully in a meeting and to enable me to contribute

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to and to make informed decisions, it is absolutely okay for me to be

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boundaried with my time, and that also means being boundaried with my diary.

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Blocking out time to prepare for meetings.

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Read papers is all part of my role.

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It's not a nice to have, and this prep time is also something that I've noticed

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is easily consumed by other people.

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If you are not clear that it is not to be moved from your diary.

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There will of course be exceptions when there'll be times it feels

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like a meeting might need to be prioritized over your prep time.

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But it's about being really clear that a conversation has to happen about that,

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not just an assumption that your prep time is free time for another meeting.

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So these are just some of the reasons why I feel it's important

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to set boundaries in my role.

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There are many others and I know that you will have your own.

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As I said, being boundary does take practice though.

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One of the things I need to get better at is protecting my own time and mental

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capacity, particularly in times of change or challenge in the workplace.

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In all my roles as a senior communications leader, I found that I've often been the

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confidant for other leaders, the person people come to for a common sense check or

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advice about how something's impacted them or others or even I guess, for therapy.

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I do see this as part of my role, and I also see it as a privilege to

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have those trusted relationships.

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I've realized that I still need to be boundaried in this space.

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Otherwise, it can become all consuming and really rather draining.

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I have also realized that there will be times when the change or uncertainty

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impacts on me personally, and if I don't set clear boundaries in this space,

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then I actually deem myself a disservice as I'm not giving myself the emotional

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headspace to deal with my own thoughts and feelings and process what's happening.

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While I struggle as a people pleaser to always be boundaried in this

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type of scenario, things that help me are asking the other person

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what their desired outcome is.

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Do they just need to vent?

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Do they want support from me to seek a solution?

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It's really important to know what that other person is expecting

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from the conversation that they're going to have with you.

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I also think it's important to only start that conversation if you know

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you have the time for it, and to be clear with the other person about

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how much time you have available.

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If you need to have the conversation at a later date, then say, you

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want to be able to give it the time and respect that it deserves.

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And finally, on that point, , Feel empowered to say that the situation

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also has an impact on you and that you want to share your feelings about it.

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If of course you do, you might not always.

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I would say don't underestimate the mental load you carry.

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As a communications leader, we are privy to all sorts of highly sensitive,

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challenging information, and we have to meet so many different demands on

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our time and manage so many different relationships that it's important to

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recognize this and know when you need to take some time out to recharge.

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My final word in this episode about boundaries.

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Prioritize your life as much as your work.

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Book the leave Switch off your phone.

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Don't reply to that email immediately.

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Leave work on time.

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I know it won't always be possible as we have lots of responsibilities in the

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roles we have as communicators and as leaders, but we also only have one life.

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Key to all of the things that I've said today is communication, and

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if as communications professionals we can't communicate our boundaries

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clearly to others, then quite frankly, I'm not sure what chance

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anyone else has of doing the same.

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So put into practice not only your boundary setting, but all of those

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excellent communication skills that you've got, and start to provide that clarity

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both to yourself and others about what your boundaries are in the workplace.

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As part of the Cat's Pajamas Thrive Programme, we run a complete

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session on boundary setting and I've also run workshops on the very

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subject of setting boundaries, how to do it and why it's important.

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So if you want to know more, please do get in touch.

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And if you want to carry on this conversation, then drop me a line

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or engage with me on the socials.

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Thank you for listening to this episode of Behind the Bob.

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I'd love for you to subscribe on your favourite podcast platform

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and leave a rating or a review.

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You can also engage with me over on the socials..

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Find me on Instagram and Twitter @catspjs_uk.

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About the Podcast

Behind the Bob
Diary of a Comms Director
Welcome to Behind the Bob, Diary of a Comms Director with me, Carrie-Ann Wade.

This podcast is all about developing communications leaders of the future and supporting you to grow and thrive in your comms career. You’ll hear from me about my experiences and insights and there might even be a special guest or two popping up.

Behind the Bob gives you a sneak peek into life as a comms director and provides you with all the "behind the scenes" knowledge to help you thrive as a communications leader.


About your host

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Carrie-Ann Wade

Carrie-Ann Wade is a communications director in the NHS with over 20 years of communications and marketing experience. She is also founder of Cat’s Pajamas Communications which focuses on mentoring communications professionals to grow and thrive in their careers.

She has most recently been a finalist in the inaugural Comms Hero Fearless Trailblazer award and shortlisted in the National Facilitation Awards 2023. She was named one of F:entrepreneur's #ialso100 2020 top female entrepreneurs and business leaders, and Cat’s Pajamas has been recognised in Small Business Saturday's UK #SmallBiz100, as a business with impact.

She is one part of the How to Take the Lead collaborative, and cohost of a podcast with the same name, exploring the challenges and opportunities of modern day leadership. Carrie-Ann also hosts ‘Behind The Bob, Diary of a Comms Director’, a podcast supporting aspiring communications leaders.

Find out more via www.cats-pajamas.co.uk